November 2008 - CatSIG - lists.ecs.vuw.ac.nz

Fwd: [rules] [ccda] RDA full draft
by Chris Todd 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

For those of you currently attempting to print out copies of the RDA full draft, this email from John Attig provides a very useful explanation of what has been happening behind the scenes. His final paragraph also suggests looking at the sample workflows and we will definitely be taking that advice here at the National Library. Chris Todd Chris (Christine) Todd Team Leader, Monos Plus Team, Content Services, National Library of New Zealand. Telephone: (04) 474 3093 Fax: (04) 474 3161 Email: chris.todd(a)natlib.govt.nz >>> John Attig <jxa16(a)psulias.psu.edu> 20/11/2008 8:14 a.m. >>> There have been a lot of posts about the RDA Full Draft and I would like to clarify a few things and to make some recommendations. First, I sympathize with the problems that everyone is having downloading and printing the files. I had similar problems. With several of the longer files, I had to restart the download when it seemed to hang up. I saved the files to my hard drive before printing (others have suggested a CD). I had problems printing a fair number of pages in Chapters 6, 9 and 11; everything else seemed to print without problems. There were some pages that I had to print on other printers which (I suspect) had more memory. John offered some other suggestions. I apologize on behalf of the Co-Publishers for the unsatisfactory nature of the PDF files. The developers tried very hard to provide the text of RDA for this review in a version of the RDA software, so that you could see it as it was meant to be seen. It was only at the end of the day on November 6 that a decision was made that this would not be possible. At that point, some of the work may have been done on an output format for the PDF files, but none of them had yet been created. This was all done late in the process. The Joint Steering Committee no longer has direct control over the text of RDA. This is why the PDF files were posted on the rdaonline.org site and not on the JSC site. The final edits for the full draft were turned over to the developers by the JSC Editor early in September and the developers spent considerable time and effort to make all of the changes that the JSC had specified and to convert all of the data to XML format. The JSC has had no interaction with the text of RDA since September. Second, you will note in the cover letter ("Transfer of the draft text" at the bottom of page 1) that the process of converting the text to XML introduced a large number of typographical errors as described in the cover letter. In addition, the process of creating the PDF files introduced a number of additional typographical errors that are not present in the underlying XML data. If there had been sufficient time, both of these categories of error could have been eliminated; however, a decision was made that it was more important to get the text out for you to review than to make the text at this stage. A full and rigorous proofreading will take place before the final product is released and these errors will be eliminated. Although the cover letter suggests that you may report typographical errors, my advice is to try to ignore them and not to be distracted by incidental errors while you are reviewing the text for major problems. In general, I would advise that you approach this exercise with a great deal of patience and tolerance. We know that this is not an ideal situation, but the situation is what it is. The exercise at hand is to review the text looking for inconsistencies or other major problems that have not yet been identified. I hope that you can try to filter out the distractions caused by incidental errors and concentrate on larger issues. Third, Greta de Groat mentioned the sample workflow for monographs that is included among the supplementary files. I would urge that you look at this. In practice, RDA will not be used by reading through entire chapters, much less the entire text, but rather it will be used in a particular context to create particular bibliographic or authority records. We hope that RDA can be integrated by ILS vendors into their software so that the workforms that you use to create records can be linked to the appropriate RDA instructions. Another way in which RDA can be used in context is to follow a workflow such as those provided as samples. Users of the RDA online product will be able to use such workflows, to create their own, and to share workflows with other users. The workflow is another way of guiding you through the instructions to the particular sections of RDA that you will need to apply. Designing your own workflow for types of records you routinely create -- even if only a brief outline -- could be very helpful in your review of RDA. If there is anything else that I can help to clarify, please let me know. John Attig ALA Rep to the JSC

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FW: [ACAT] RDA full draft
by Christine Farley 17 Nov '08

17 Nov '08

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christine Farley Cataloguing Team, Collection Services Victoria University of Wellington Te Whare Wananga o te Upoko o te Ika a Maui email christine.farley(a)vuw.ac.nz phone 04-463-6095 URL <http://www.vuw.ac.nz/library/> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: AUTOCAT [mailto:AUTOCAT@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Nathalie Schulz Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:24 a.m. To: AUTOCAT(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [ACAT] RDA full draft The full draft of RDA is now available for comment. Please see the following Web page for details on accessing the draft and making comments: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/jsc/rdafulldraft.html Nathalie Schulz Secretary, JSC N.Schulz(a)btopenworld.com *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request(a)listserv.syr.edu Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright ***********************************************************************

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RDA costs
by Maureen Borkin 16 Nov '08

16 Nov '08

Good morning At Book Blitz III, Deborah Fritz mentioned that we should budget for the ongoing costs of RDA. Does anyone have an estimated figure for that? Maureen Borkin Cataloguing Librarian Kapiti Coast District Libraries Tel. 04 296 4649 Kapiti Coast District Council does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure; therefore the Council does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. The content of this email may express the view of the author and not the official position of the Council. Kapiti Coast District Council may monitor and store all outgoing and incoming email traffic. This e-mail is subject to copyright. Except in reply to the author, no part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copywriter owner. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail, or telephone the author and delete all copies. ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################

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Query on name authority
by Chris Roberts 13 Nov '08

13 Nov '08

Hi everybody I am trying to unpick some headings for the author/s Philip Holden, who on our merged catalogue has headings under no dates, 1937- and 1938-. On doing searches on LC Authorities and looking at the authority records we already have in place, I am beginning to feel a little confused, as the notes that have been added are a little ambiguous. Is anyone able to confirm to me that the Philip Holden who writes on NZ hunting also has written westerns under three known pseudonyms? I am reasonably sure I can eliminate the confusion between the 1938 and 1937 entries - they do appear to be the same person - because one has mention of a date incorrectly printed on a book jacket. Is this also 'our' NZ Philip Holden, the hunter, and has he also written titles on hunting in Australia? I started to do some searching on the net but got bogged down with entries from libraries and bookshops that didn't actually give me the information I need and figured there are quicker ways to do this. Chris Roberts, ALIANZA, RLIANZA District Cataloguer Rodney Libraries Contact numbers DDI (09) 427-3915 fax: (09) 427-3925 Roget's Thesaurus rules - OK, all right, very well, you bet, certainly. ##################################################################################### Disclaimer: The information in this electronic mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the Addressee.Access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately. Rodney District Council accepts no responsibility for any effects this email message or attachments has on the recipient network or computer system. #####################################################################################

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FW: RDA full draft update
by Ksenija Obradovic 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

FYI - from rdaaust-l Ksenija -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Argus [mailto:cargus@nla.gov.au] Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 11:46 a.m. To: rdaaust-l Subject: FW: RDA full draft update Dear colleagues I am forwarding the attached message with revised details for the release of the full draft of RDA. When the draft is released, we will confirm its availability on the list. Regards Catherine Argus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Catherine Argus Manager, Bibliographic Standards & Strategy National Library of Australia Tel. (02) 6262 1044 Fax. (02) 6273 4322 email. cargus(a)nla.gov.au -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA] On Behalf Of Nathalie Schulz Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 5:53 AM To: RDA-L(a)INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA full draft update Dear Colleagues, Due to complications in software development, the Committee of Principals has determined that the full draft of RDA will be issued in PDF files. It will be available on November 17, 2008. We will provide the appropriate URL for accessing the full draft at this time. We will also provide an update on the software as soon as possible. Nathalie Schulz, Secretary, JSC for the Committee of Principals

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Re: [CatSIG] Australian Nat Library RDA list
by Cossham, Amanda 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

Thanks everyone. Sarah seemed to have had the most information in her welcome message (mine had the line across it but no other content and didn't even state the subscription email address) so I shall save her email to CatSIG for future reference. I guess we just wait with bated breath for the flood of excellent discussion following the pdfs next week. ;-) Regards Amanda Amanda Cossham Lecturer, Information and Library Studies Open Polytechnic Kuratini Tuwhera 0508 650 200 ext 5518 or (04) 913 5518 (Wellington callers) Fax: (04) 913 5727 Email: Amanda.Cossham(a)openpolytechnic.ac.nz "In response to your question 'What is worth doing, and what is worth having?' I would like to say simply this. It is worth doing nothing and having a rest." Michael Leunig, The Curly Pyjama Letters This email message is intended solely for the addressee(s) named above. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Unauthorised use of the message, or the information it contains, may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail. Your assistance is appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Menzies [mailto:SarahM@shorelibraries.govt.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 8:27 a.m. To: catsig(a)mcs.vuw.ac.nz Cc: Cossham, Amanda Subject: RE: [CatSIG] Australian Nat Library RDA list Hi Amanda, I subscribed yesterday afternoon and got the following in return: >Welcome to list rdaaust(a)nla.gov.au >Your subscription email is ... >A list for discussion of RDA implementation in Australia. It is open to all subscribers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- >To post a message to the list, send an email to rdaaust(a)nla.gov.au To >unsubscribe from the list, send a message to sympa(a)nla.gov.au. In the subject line of your email type: unsubscribe rdaaust Regards, Sarah Menzies Cataloguer North Shore Libraries Phone: 09 486-8473 Email:sarahm@shorelibraries.govt.nz -----Original Message----- From: catsig-bounces(a)mcs.vuw.ac.nz [mailto:catsig-bounces@mcs.vuw.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Cossham, Amanda Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 10:51 p.m. To: catsig(a)mcs.vuw.ac.nz Subject: [CatSIG] Australian Nat Library RDA list > > >Has anyone else had problems subscribing to this? I have found the Welcome" message in my junk mail folder but it seems to be blank. Have any messages been posted to the list yet? Amanda Amanda Cossham Lecturer, Information and Library Studies Open Polytechnic Kuratini Tuwhera 0508 650 200 extension 5518 Or (04) 913 5518 (Wellington callers) Fax: (04) 560 5727 Email: Amanda.Cossham(a)openpolytechnic.ac.nz "In response to your question 'What is worth doing, and what is worth having?' I would like to say simply this. It is worth doing nothing and having a rest." Michael Leunig, The Curly Pyjama Letters This email message is intended solely for the addressee(s) named above. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Unauthorised use of the message, or the information it contains, may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail. Your assistance is appreciated.

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Re: [CatSIG] Australian Nat Library RDA list
by Christine Farley 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

Hi, I subscribed monday and received the welcome message but nothing further. I presume for NZ related RDA discussion that we can use CatSig or NZ-Libs Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christine Farley Cataloguing Team, Collection Services Victoria University of Wellington Te Whare Wananga o te Upoko o te Ika a Maui email christine.farley(a)vuw.ac.nz phone 04-463-6095 URL <http://www.vuw.ac.nz/library/> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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FW: Welcome to list rdaaust
by Ksenija Obradovic 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

This is e-mail I received after subscribing, but nothing arrived after this one. Cheers, Ksenija From: rdaaust-request(a)nla.gov.au [mailto:rdaaust-request@nla.gov.au] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 10:51 a.m. To: Ksenija Obradovic Subject: Welcome to list rdaaust Welcome to list rdaaust(a)nla.gov.au Your subscription email is k.obradovic(a)auckland.ac.nz A list for discussion of RDA implementation in Australia. It is open to all subscribers. ________________________________ To post a message to the list, send an email to rdaaust(a)nla.gov.au To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to sympa(a)nla.gov.au. In the subject line of your email type: unsubscribe rdaaust

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RDA
by Chris Todd 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

No sign of the draft yet, but the following information has been sent out to a number of Australian library lists and I thought New Zealand cataloguers might be interested in subscribing. With the imminent release of the final draft of Resource Description and Access (RDA), the National Library of Australia has established a new email list for discussion of RDA as it relates to specific to Australian libraries, including implementation and training matters. To subscribe to the list send a message to sympa(a)nla.gov.au In the subject line of your message, type in subscribe rdaaust Firstname Name (replace Firstname Name with your own first name and last name). For example subscribe rdaaust Mary Smith Leave the message body blank You should then receive a welcome message with details of how to post messages to the list etc. Chris (Christine) Todd Team Leader, Monos Plus Team, Content Services, National Library of New Zealand. Telephone: (04) 474 3093 Fax: (04) 474 3161 Email: chris.todd(a)natlib.govt.nz

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Fwd: [RDA-L] RDA full draft update
by Chris Todd 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

Just noted this message from the RDA list. That would be November 18th for us I expect. Chris Chris (Christine) Todd Team Leader, Monos Plus Team, Content Services, National Library of New Zealand. Telephone: (04) 474 3093 Fax: (04) 474 3161 Email: chris.todd(a)natlib.govt.nz >>> Nathalie Schulz <N.Schulz(a)BTOPENWORLD.COM> 12/11/2008 7:53 a.m. >>> Dear Colleagues, Due to complications in software development, the Committee of Principals has determined that the full draft of RDA will be issued in PDF files. It will be available on November 17, 2008. We will provide the appropriate URL for accessing the full draft at this time. We will also provide an update on the software as soon as possible. Nathalie Schulz, Secretary, JSC for the Committee of Principals

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